Can I make this sound with Syntakt?

This is When I Look Into Your Eyes by Liam Mour.

Seems that there are two main synth timbres being used here. One bass and one lead. I’m guessing that some folks here can instantly decode what combination of oscillator shapes, filters, and reverb are being used. Curious whether any such savants would share their analysis.

Can I recreate something close to those using a Syntakt? Maybe Sy Raw? If not, why not?

Thanks!

Chuckles

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It sounds like a sawtooth with a low-pass filter dialed down pretty low and with a filter envelope. And then there’s likely some distortion, and then lots of reverb with a long decay. Maybe some pitch instability too, an LFO connected to pitch. Doesn’t seem to be impossible to recreate on the Syntakt.

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Sounds like a plugin. Don’t see why you couldn’t do something similar though.

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I’m not sure this is analog synth. If I was trying to copy it, I would start with the Digitone. Maybe the Syntakt can do it too. I would start with one of the digital machines.

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Im hearing some shimmer reverb on the synth sound, which you can achieve by doubling tracks and audio routing: the main sound, plus a second with the same sequence data, an octave up, and sent only to reverb and maybe delay (bypass Main in Pattern > Audio Routing).

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Appreciate the kind replies, y’all!

Honestly, this question is coming out of my (mostly failed so far) quest to connect with the Syntakt. Will keep at it!

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IMO … should be possible … both don’t sound exotic and I would say they are quite standard. Question is whether a similar reverb is available in the box.

  • bass: could be saw or two slightly detuned VCOs and a 24 LP dB filter with not much of a resonance and not much of a movement of the cutoff frequency. Sometimes a sub with pulse can be used to add more girth at the low end.
  • lead: a trumpet like patch … could be a saw or a saw plus some pulse and using typical envelopes for the transient of this kind of patch. Filter for a trumpet patch could be 12 or 24 dB LP, with some movement to get it very bright at the beginning and less bright during sustain

The reverb is essential for the overall mood … as already addressed there could be a shimmer reverb used, but there seems also some pad sound embedded before the tracks ending.

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I know the feeling, still finding my way around the Elektrons too. But when I look at the Elektron demos like ‘Digitone II Machine vs Machine’, ‘Digitakt II sound collage’ I’m always remembered ‘it’s not the machine’s lack of capability, it’s my lack of experience’. Can’t expect to be pro level in no time, it’ll take some minutes to get there :wink: I just soldier on, tinkering, in time it’ll become easier to translate idea to sound. For instance: afterwards realizing there’s a whole filter page in the Digitone II I didn’t use when I was starting to wonder why the heck I couldn’t get ‘that sound’ I heard on a demo. Just have fun with it and don’t expect anything :slight_smile:

I’m on standby duty this week, so sadly no motorcycle rides, but guess what I’ll be doing instead these evenings :wink:

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Haha, I clearly was a bit quick in the assessment. I only listen to the first half of the song and actually thought I was getting pretty close on the Syntakt. But then I listen to the other half of it. :joy: No, I don’t think that is possible on the Syntakt. I mean the raw oscillators, maybe you could get close, but the effects are what make this song shine.

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If this riff was played on a duophonic or pataphonic synth, than no you will not be able to recreate it

Worth a try

Same here :sweat_smile: At first I thought “this should be doable with a straight sawtooth” but the digital sheen of the lead sound becomes very prominent later in.

I would experiment with SY Swarm as it has a digital character if you introduce the “supersaw” portion with very little detuning. Probably difficult to get super close though.

@Humanprogram’s tip is genius (using only the wet portion of a second voice pitched up an octave), I would definitely try that to approximate the shimmer effect.

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You should be able to get close to the dry sounds, at least… You’d probably need some other fx than the ones on the Syntakt though… I feel like the missing bit on the Syntakt would be the lack of a chorus, I get the feeling that verb has some chorusing/modulation going on…

I’d use an analogue voice for the bass sound, and a digital voice for the lead… Either SY SWARM or SY BITS could work… You’d need to add some sort of “thrashy” highend to the lead, lowering samplerate on the SY BITS might do it… You’d then route the digital lead into the fx block for some mildly resonant lowpass filtering to build up the modulations… Then run the sounds into OB2 and feed the individual voices into a suitably shimmery verb plugin

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Gonna struggle without a chorus for sure.

And getting the reverb to do all that on the Syntakt, though technically probably doable, is a lot of work with doubling and modulation and banging your head against a wall getting it to sit in the mix right.

Raw sounds, probably pretty easy, but for effects, sometimes VSTs are the answer.

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Yes.

Listened to the whole thing, and my guess is that there are 5 or 6 total voices, most of which are designed to sound like shimmer / pitched reverb but are likely their own fully wet voices.

Modulating the reverb (or silent delay into the reverb) is simple enough for chorus type sounds.

There’s interesting filtering and some kind of audio-rate modulation going on at the first crscendo where the melody changes—something similar is possible on Syntakt (maybe doubling a Swarm with Chord engine on its underrated unison mode), but I doubt it could be an exact match.

It’s a gorgeous production, and I bet trying to emulate it would reward the effort even if an exact replica wasn’t the result.

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A just-for-fun attempt at getting the background wash sound, I’m aware the main synth sound isn’t particularly close.

Sending 2 tracks just to delay and reverb, and here opening all filters, sending silent delay into reverb and increasing feedback time, modulating reverb pre-delay…

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Maybe it’s also worth trying this option:
Send 2 tracks to the pre FX Block, and send the Delay/Reverb to the post FX Block.
In this case, by adjusting the FX Block AMP or LEVEL and Delay/Reverb AMP, you can achieve something like a Dry/Wet Mix.