Microtiming on Model:Samples

Hi,

I’ve recently bought Model:Samples and I’m trying to learn this beautiful little machine. A question to Elektron masters: is it possible to micro-time a step so that it plays exactly on top of the previous (or next) step? I want to use the cond triggers and have step2 superimposed on step 1 with 1:2/2:2, so I can play different sounds on the first and second pass of the pattern. When I turn the nudge knob all the way left , the nudged step is a tiiiny bit late. Is it possible to do this exactly?

You’ve already got the best you can get, sorry.

EDIT: Taking into account subsequent responses, that was a pretty silly, limited imagination, answer.

Ah, that’s a bummer, I can really hear this timing error, even if very slight. Thanks for the answer!:slight_smile:

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You can but they need to be off grid, if step 1 was played a notch late then step 2 can be moved to the same place.

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I was thinking one workaround could be to create a copy of the sample with a slight silent passage first. But you probably want your sample earlier, not later?

So then I guess the best solution is to spilt the pattern into two patterns and play them consecutively / chain them.

Yeah, the problem is that there are other sounds playing on grid on other tracks, so making any of the samples late or early will be noticeable, one way or another. Unless I make all the tracks start a tad late. Chaining seems like the only solution. Thanks!<3

Can you double the length of the track (if it’s 16 steps now, make it 32 and one sample plays during the first bar, the other one during the second bar)?

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No, umfortunately, it’s already 64, with a melodic content. With this trick I’m trying to expand this into effectively 128, without chaining.

Can you change the scale to half tempo to get 128 steps?

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Have you checked to see if there’s any silence at the start of the sample you’re trying to micro-time that could cause it to play noticeably late? Could maybe help.

Otherwise, you could pattern chain as a workaround? Not the best solution but it’s an option.

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ah, brilliant, that’s it! there was indeed a split second of silence at the start of the sample, which was not audible by itself, but when added to the micro-timing inaccuracy became audible over a very sharp and immediate snare drum. I only saw it when I looked at the actual waveform on my computer. Thanks a million!!

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Ah, I was already a bit confused why it sounded so obvious for you. I assumed you were working with lots of transient material in fast tempo, but it was the good old not so well trimmed sample.

Just to make it clear, you cannot use microtimimg to pull or push a trig to the next note. There’ll always be a little gap, although most of the time it’s not noticable.

PS: You can set each track on the Models to run slower or faster. With faster running tracks, you can achieve higher step resolutions (for example 1/32th in 4/4), slower running tracks allow you to, for example turn 64 steps into 128 steps at 1/8th note resolution (+microtiming).
This could be a way to solve your problem without using trig conditions.