I mean we still have forced prison labor, so we’ll be engaging in more of that, more work camps.
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Kind of breathtaking that even has to be mentioned, speaking of US economy before civil war. Slavery was at the heart of it.
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And the changeover in plantation economies, keeping sub classes of less educated workers.
Massive wealth disparities, not something people should be cheering on but there’s a bit of peasant-ification in feeling awe for robber barons.
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don’t be such debbie downers folks the enconomy is gonna be boomin, first they’ll take the most vulnerable and lower the prices of phones, cable tv, and sneakers to the lowest prices ever seen, even free HBO for the masses… then they will raise the taxes of those same people getting free cable tv, phones, and sneakers by 75%… while lowering the minimum wage on those same people… then when those people complain about not being able to live on what they make they will tell them to stop complaining you don’t have it that bad you’ve got cable tv, a shiny phone, and some shiny gold sneakers , you’re not having a hard time surviving… then they’ll put tariffs on the tariffs cause they heard we like tariffs 
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I’m not going to defend points I haven’t even made, you are putting words in my mouth. If you can’t have a discussion in good faith I’m not interested.
I was trying to engage in the spirit of the OP and keep politics out of it but it seems others aren’t interested in that.
I have plenty of economic woes to deal with here in England anyway. I wish you Americans the best.
“But we have iPhones!”
These people certainly live charmed lives.
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Don’t want to take the bait, but can’t resist: How is proposing „nuking“ the income tax and referring to America‘s first 100 years as a golden age of economic policy not politics? What exactly are the words we‘re putting in your mouth?
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Politics are political by design! There’s no need to pretend you’re not when you suggest we USAxit.
It is similarly impossible to discuss international retaliation that harms citizens and business to materially benefit politicians without engaging in direct discussion.
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true that… ya’ll dealin with brexit, we dealing with exit 
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Because international trade in the 1800s is incomparable to our modern global society. Because electronics didn’t exist. Cars didn’t exist. You don’t need to be a historian to understand that people back then didn’t rely on international trade for everyday needs and conveniences anywhere near as much as we do now.
In order for tariffs to offset federal income taxes, everything the US imports would have a 75% tariff. That’s not just basic goods and produce, that’s components that American companies import as well. And that 75% will be passed onto consumers. That will disproportionately affect people making less money than those making more. Poor people will become poorer, companies will lay people off to cut costs, and people will ultimately spend less because shit will be much more expensive than it is now.
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If you raise tariffs it only seems fair that you would reduce taxes. Otherwise I think tariffs are unfair - was basically what I was saying.
And when I showed that it would not necessarily mean to destruction of the economy, because those conditions have happened before I am accused of making apologies for slavery.
We don’t need the UKIP rationale though. They will increase our taxes like every single time demagogues promise to destroy a government for the good of the people.
There’s no use fantasizing about a thing that will never be presented like that in good faith. People lie and the lies are accepted.
So yeah it will ruin us and people will wave their hands saying “WELL IT COULD HAPPEN”
Repeating the lies of bad faith actors doesn’t change that we know how it always turns out.
It’s an inherently unserious fantasy that gives us no joy.
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Well you didn’t show that, you merely claimed it by making a overly-simplistic comparison to the 1800s.
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This conversation blows!
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“They would have to lower taxes, they would NEVER raise taxes to destroy the middle class, see…”
Boom, disproved.
“There are two novels that can change a bookish fourteen-year old’s life: The Lord of the Rings and Atlas Shrugged. One is a childish fantasy that often engenders a lifelong obsession with its unbelievable heroes, leading to an emotionally stunted, socially crippled adulthood, unable to deal with the real world. The other, of course, involves orcs."
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Like I said if everyone insists on taking the most uncharitable interpretation of what I’m saying then I’m out.
Good reminder to avoid political threads on here, even if they encourage staying apolitical 
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Congratulations on existing as “not political” and not knowing any such people I guess?
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Playboy changed my fourteen-year old life!
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There is nothing even remotely fair about the whole situation.
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Civility is not a political tool, see…
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