I hope that what y saw was only for editing and sequencing.
Minute 34:36 aprox.
Syntakt is absolutely different sound territory. Much more brizzling, earth shattering, body shaking and it contains 4 analogue mono synths (which you need an RK-002 to use polyphonically, which is a pity, but I guess there are some strict rules that things ending on -takt are not allowed to be polyphonic no matter the number of voices).
I love DN for what it is, esp. the keys version. They are completely different sisters. (Also the DN II with its 4 machines from what I could hear in the videos)
But that’s just what I think 
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Unfortunately they are only maschines and not full voices.
The ST is not unique. Just some reheated Elektronstuff in one box. Too limited to make its sound unique and even in extreme settings it sounds like a syntakt.
Had it 2 times and sold it twice because it’s just warmed up Elektron stuff in one box. Good for people who are not into sound design but the limitations are real. DN is much deeper and the DN2 now is a step up
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I respect your feelings but I’m sure I’m not alone in disagreeing 
Okay, but…
you mean it always sounds like “itself”? I feel like that’s a good way of saying it has a unique sound.
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This! If I never had an ST, DN II would definitely be an insta but for me. DN was my first Elektron and I deeply loved it, its sound heavily defined the first tracks I made myself. However, I basically just used it as a preset machine, since I couldn’t really make any own sounds. I didn’t necessarily want to change that when I got an ST, but I often make my sounds from scratch with it because it’s so welcoming. In general, ST always has me writing music when I use it, because it guides you and doesn’t invite endless tinkering with sounds.
So if you want to have the one groovebox that can do it all and need polyphony, DN II is the way to go. If you want to have a simplified yet versatile and great sounding machine that you will use along with 1-2 other machines, I’d keep the Syntakt. Btw, if you wanna have those glorious DN FM pads and arps, you could just get a used one for dirt cheap to play along your ST. It’s still really powerful and wonderful.
I’ll do the same, but also wait until there’s possibly an ST update. Or DN II used prices have come down and I can try it or a bit without losing money.
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Maybe if one owns all other boxes since the dawn of elektronautkind 
Else, it (ST) is a veery versatile machine and the achievable sound space is much bigger than with 4-OP FM (without tables). Much more complex harmonics and overtones possible and very easy to get great results in drums and synths.
(I do have lots of FM synths including DN and love it). I still make mistakes with the ST UI - but I just love the sound.
If one would really own just one box (
) ST would be the one for me, if 2: ST and DT (either generation). Or A4 + DT if easy polyphonic play is important (the 4 analog ST voices can be played polyphonically with some hacks like RK-002, gives also round robin options like with MonoPoly).
I think they will stick to their concepts with “-takts” being monophonic no matter what (in those great chord machines), sadly also in the midi lanes 
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Anyway DN is an extremely good synth and so is DN II 
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I always thought that too, until @josephhh started doing some videos
but in general I would prefer DN over ST too, DN can go really deep, the new one seems to improve on everything including what most people wanted - dedicated drum machines and more tracks to work with, the compressor is cherry on top imo, I mean considering I bought DN1 in early '22 for ~$750-800 I’d say the new one definitely worth the extra $200 with everything added.
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I use Syntakt mostly with Iridium (which has Wavetable fm, samples, and granular) , as backing maschine while i do sound design on the Iridium, for that purpose its nearly perfect. Its my fast and small setup machine - i am not really torn - i actually miss to many things on the DN2 still, to really want it. (compared to vital - its still to few modulation possiblitys - in vital i can group modulations with a macro, and then modulate the macro again, i never reached the bottom of vitals modulation yet.) And it can resynthesize to current oscillator. (make wavetable from patch) To be fair - many of the useful sounds do not need as much modulation - but i love to sound design.
Iridium was the first synth, where i felt there is no bottom. (And it can resample itself, and use the sample as source)
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As far as I’m concerned, the trig modifiers don’t exist. They’re the biggest waste of button real estate. BPM sync would probably help to make them actually useful. I wish they’d be able to be mapped to something else. Something. Not sure what. But something that would actually be useful 
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Scenes, i.e. press a button, and flip sound settings. Fills etc.
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Would surprise me to see the FX block in a SY2. With the DT and DN so aligned in their architecture with machines for sounds + filters, modulation etc makes me think they’re looking to make rolling out updates across the line as frictionless as possible. The more generic fx send approach suggests to me we might get options in the future on DT/DN as well. From that perspective I’d guess the SY2 to be brought in line rather than continue with a different FX approach?
Having used both devices extensively, I find myself getting bogged down with sound design more on the DN, which ends up being super annoying because of how bad elektron screens are. Syntakt’s machines are more simple and have a lot of sweet spots which makes it a lot more fun to use (while still allowing decent sound design if needed). The screen is there for reference and I can just jam away. DN2 is nice and finally has less artificial limitations but I’m not feeling any gas for it.
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I find it hard to imagine them removing the FX block / track. It’s one of the bigger selling points of the Syntakt. In fact, if they don’t end up adding more functionality to it in Syntakt 1 updates, I think adding more analog FX or features to the FX block would be an obvious move in a Syntakt 2.
But I don’t think it’s going to happen any time soon. I feel pretty confident that Syntakt will not be getting a sequel for at least another year or two.
Or that might be wishful thinking since I’m never selling my Syntakt 
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Syntakt owner here
It’s really the performance kit setting and polyphony that are the main reason I feel like DN2 is the stronger machine.
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But I don’t think it’s going to happen any time soon. I feel pretty confident that Syntakt will not be getting a sequel for at least another year or two.
Those were my initial thoughts as well. Then I remembered the remix editions of Digitakt etc that were released shortly before DT2 and then EOL’ed. And this is a d* move of Elektron that clearly showed a certain direction of what really matters to them. I guess this may have p*ssed off quite a few customers…
I do own a DT1, a ST and have ordered a DN2 (yet to arrive) and depending on how much overlap there is, I consider selling my ST. I do love my ST, especially with the new FW 1.30 but am sincerely worried about the loss in value in case there will be a ST2 anytime soon - which I would happily want to upgrade to BUT without having to make too much loss in selling the ST(1).
Comparing DT, DN, DT2, DN2 and ST, it becomes obvious that ST must be considered an “old” machine that is surely to be EOL’ed in the not too far future…
my 2 cents
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I think the Syntakt should get an official price drop, since nobody will buy it new anymore for the same price as DT2 and DN2. Everybody looking for a Synth-Groovebox will prefer the DN2 over an ST1 when you check the features and price IMHO. I am a ST owner btw.
Do you think sales of the ST were so bad that they just want to let it die out and keep owners “happy” with some last lackluster Firmwareupdate as they did, knowing DN2 is the future anyway?
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When your POV is ‘keeping’ instead of ‘buying’ you are probably right. For the rest I think sales figures point out if it was a smart move to update the ST first, and release the DN2 just a few days later.
As an owner of a ST1 and DT1, I would have considered the DN2 if the ST wasn’t updated just recently. Now I’m back on the fence. I really see them as two different instruments, but the ST1 now has more to explore first.
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That new FM Drum coupled with some analog RYTM-style machines would’ve made a seriously great drum machine.
The Syntakt really should’ve been that, in my humble opinion.
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In my humble opinion i want a flagship product.
One box with fm, sampling, voicecount,….
I don’t want a pokemoncollection with 3 sequencers.
I want one box.
not three for 3 grand.
One.
Perhaps i want too much, right!
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